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Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
Let's get this straight: anything created with "AI" is #slop.
It doesn't have to be vibe-coded. It doesn't have to be horrible code. It doesn't matter that you've spent hours perfecting the prompt. It doesn't matter that ten people have spent a week reviewing it in detail.
As long as an "AI" took part in writing it, it's slop. It's an unethical technology, and anything created with it is tainted. It's an inhuman technology, and you're supporting it. You're being disrespectful to your users and contributors. You're putting your own convenience over humanity. You're aiding the worst murderous assholes in the history of humanity. And what's perhaps worst, you quite likely believe that you are making a net positive contribution, that you're helping people, while you're actually disrespecting and harming them.
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
The state of #Python ecosystem right now: almost everything is slop. Some projects are complete vibe-coded slop (autobahn, chardet, cryptography). Some projects are disguised slop ("Coding agents shouldn't co-author themselves.")
There is only a handful of human projects left (Flask being one bright example). And they're being killed. They're being killed by the neverending slew of slop pull requests. They're being killed by all their dependencies becoming slop. They're being killed because this whole ecosystem has became such a complete cesspit that you have zero motivation to do anything.
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
Sometimes I do wonder if the only ethical thing let to do is to delete all your projects, and do your best to have them disappear from public space. Of course, that won't stop people from making your complicit in their acts of planetary destruction entirely, but at least you're trying…
And that's coming from me, a person who considers destroying knowledge and craft an unthinkable crime.
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
There's a new meat eating hype. Meat companies are telling everyone people would have more energy if they only ate more meat. Employers are getting huge meat lunches for their employees and expecting a productivity boost. Against their better judgement, employees are stuffing themselves with loads of meat and struggling to work. But eventually, they figure out how to eat more and be more productive. In the meantime, a lot of people (including meat eaters) are crying over the obvious climate and health harm, both from increased meat consumption and from increased waste as people throw away even more food.
Meat eaters now put up a big banners of what meat they like, and invite others to join them with meat. More people are becoming vocally vegan, or at least trying to limit their meat consumption. Some also put "vegan" or even more aggressive "no meat allowed" signs.
Some meat eaters think it's fine to bring offering of meat to a stranger if they didn't put up an explicit "vegan" sign yet. "I won't get offensed, I'll just throw it in the trash", they say. Some go even further and try to trick you by saying it's actually a vegan meat-lookalike.
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
Congratulations. Now I'm actively worried to open a PR fixing my issue, because there's already been a few #slop PRs opened attempting to fix it. And I'm literally worried that mine would be taken as another slop PR…
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
Human translators manage good #translation because they comprehend the original text, know its intricacies and can actually creatively write to preserve its gist. Context is more than the surrounding paragraphs: it includes the cultural and social background, other books, etc. Sometimes it literally involves getting hints from the author. And in the end, it is deeply personal. It can't be "accurate", because no two people are the same, and no two languages map 1:1 (though the interpretation will also differ between different users of the same language); the best you can do is add translator's notes.
LLM translators manage good translation because they've been fed tons of human translation work, and quite often they manage to match an original human translation and plagiarize it. They may even seem better because they seem to manage it without sufficient context, but that's only because they've found a human translation that had that context already.
Or, well, technically they can also regurgitate something that makes sense only in the irrelevant original context.
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
When you're building software aimed at a niche related to hype, the only thing you can do is hook people onto it. I mean, you're targeting the kind people who have an attention span of a fruit fly. Unless they're literally addicted to your software, they're going to forget it as soon as they notice the next shiny thing.
LLM, negative, lost of trust [SENSITIVE CONTENT]
Some people think that #LLM usage costs rising will start undoing some of the harm caused by the #AI hype. I don't think that's really going to help that much.
I'm not even talking about all the projects that were ensloppified and enshittified already. I'm not talking about all the technical debt. I'm not talking about all the forks that will have to be maintained forever. I'm not talking of all the projects that were abandoned because of burnout, or because they were only hype-oriented. And I'm not talking about all the corporations that will continue submitting slop.
I'm talking about the loss of trust. After all, we're not talking of people who realized they were wrong and are sorry. We're not talking of people realizing that it was wrong to forfeit ethics and morals in the name of "productivity". We're talking of people who are jumping ships because their previous approach turned out not to be profitable anymore. We're talking of gamblers who left the casino because they went broke. They aren't sorry that they gambled; they are sorry that they've lost. And they'd be happy to do it again at the nearest opportunity.
So, I'm sorry to say, but #FreeSoftware is never going to be the same again. A lot of people have shown their true colors, and I won't forget that.
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
Given these days you can't even expect #Gentoo contributors to be respectable, I'm working on adding a git hook that rejects commits with #LLM attribution. Could you help me find all the common patterns used to mark LLM-assisted #git commits?
So far I'm checking for author and Co-authored-by using the following e-mail patterns:
• copilot@github.com
• *@anthropic.com
• claude@users.noreply.github.com
• *+claude[bot]@users.noreply.github.com
• *@openai.com
• *+chatgpt-codex-connector[bot]@users.noreply.github.com
• *@cursor.com
• *@x.ai
• *@google.com
I think some people came up with some other tags to mark LLM commits but can't find that right now.
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
IT being a neverending nightmare [SENSITIVE CONTENT]
Computers used to be fun. I used to use Windows 9x, and it was unstable as hell, and you kept having to lean over backwards to get things to work. Then I used bleeding edge Linux, and at some point I've ended up running pure framebuffer tty for months because X11 was broken. But despite all the breakage (or maybe even because of it), it was fun. It was fun because random accidental breakage was the worst you could expect.
Nowadays, accidental breakage is rare. Things are relatively stable. However, every step of the way you have to watch out for bad actors. No, not criminals, they are rare. Evil corporations who are looking at every opportunity to fuck you up. Using computer is no longer fun, it's no longer a tool that helps you, and it's no longer your choice. You are forced to use it, and if you don't want to be hurt every step of the way, you have to spend all the effort on fighting back. And you're fucked up anyway, because even if you manage, your family and all the people around you won't care and will let their devices, their computers and their smartphones fuck you up.
I've started using FLOSS so many years ago, for the trivial reason that I didn't want to pay for software. I stayed because I enjoyed doing it. And I wanted to make a difference, I wanted to contribute positively to the world. Even if in a little way, but I wanted to be able to say that as much harm I've done to the planet, there's at least something positive to balance it out.
But nowadays I hate FLOSS. It's been overrun by the worst people in the world. The people who aren't happy with just fucking you up. They want everyone to keep fucking everyone up. It's the kind of horror where whatever you do, it turns out you're causing harm.
I don't trust my #Gentoo #packaging work anymore. So much of the software I touch turns out to be #slop. When I filed a pull request, I'm worried it will trigger #LLM reviews. When I filed a bug, I'm worried it will trigger LLM responses. And today, I've learned that my old bug report to a #NoAI project resulted in a dozen slop pull requests already. Whatever you do, #AI folks smile and tell you "see, you fucked up the world even more after all".
Honestly, I don't know what to do. I hate all of this so much. But even if I managed to figure out something else to do for a living, I can't escape computers. And if I stop doing them, if I stop fighting them, I will only end up being fucked up more.
So when #Anthropic can't buy #GNU Toolchain project wholesome, it can always buy its developers.
Oh wait, this mail that starts with Anthropic marketing bullshit is not "an endorsement of Anthropic". And you're not permitted to criticize him.
https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2026-June/178028.html
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
Oh yes, the brave new world:
https://github.com/pallets/click/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed+ai+spam
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
Seriously, when I created the GURU project for #Gentoo, I wanted it to be the place where Gentoo users work together on #packaging. What I definitely didn't want it to be: a drive-by stop for vibe-coders to promote their crap.
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
Okay, I'll give you that: LLMs aren't the root of the problem.
Capitalism is. The idea of infinite growth. The idea that people can't just live, they must with 40+ hours a week to justify their existence, and they must be purchasing something all the time. Companies must keep selling new stuff. All the resources must be tapped into and exploited.
And companies are making software. They must keep selling new features and pointless complete redesigns nobody wanted. The code must keep being churned over and over again. Programmers must justify their existence by churning out absurd amounts of meaningless code. The companies must exploit them.
Then, companies are entering the #OpenSource "market". They are acquiring and enshittifying. They are hiring and exploiting. And then so many volunteers just jump on the bandwagon and keep cosplaying them. And they too churn out useless code, "sell" pointless complete makeovers, "profit" off their users (even if they actually aren't making any real profit).
And then come LLMs, perfect tools for the job. Perfect tools for exploitation, for churning out useless code, for creating addiction, and for turning everyone into mindless corpospeak bullshit machines.
Okay, so apparently there's been some "shuffle" between a cyclist and an old lady. The police's looking for the cyclist now, and shared a camera footage looking for help in finding them. Except that the footage is such a low resolution it's practically useless.
So helpful people from the internets used "#AI" to enhance it. So now we're looking at an angry mob looking for a person whose face was generated by an #LLM. Or well, multiple independently generated different faces apparently, but would that stop a mob from lynching a random person?
This fucking crap needs to be outlawed immediately. And whoever's selling it should end up behind bars.
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
New #slop recognition criteria just dropped: a project bumps the dependency to `setuptools>=61.0.0` (valid but most people don't care) and adds a `wheel` dependency while at it (wrong).
https://github.com/aio-libs/aiodns/pull/252#discussion_r3252294971
https://github.com/micheles/decorator/commit/05480a17ebd4c4c81ca16526c3add53a16a7831f#r185646957
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
Oh, great. I'm sure it's great idea to boil oceans in order to have some random bullshit machine repeat what I said in the description. And also add a bullshit suggestion with bullshit explanation that's plain wrong.
https://github.com/aio-libs/aiodns/pull/252#pullrequestreview-4303099647
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
Gentoo, FLOSS, LLMs, depressing [SENSITIVE CONTENT]
#Gentoo is still one of the bright outposts in #FLOSS where human work is valued and #LLM contributions are banned. However, sometimes I feel that this matters very little.
After all, Gentoo is a distribution. While it has its own value, it cannot exist without all the software it is shipping. It makes no sense in isolation.
And let's be honest, I don't think you can avoid slop today. We are trying our best to sieve out the worst: the copywashing chardet, the vibecoded NIH Perl crypto packages… but it's just that.
As someone who bumps Python packages, let me tell you this: LLMs are omnipresent. I notice Claude in commit logs, I notice the blasphemy of agent instructions all over the place… and there's probably much more than I don't notice. With many core components giving in, you can't avoid it without literally freezing on old, vulnerable versions, or spending hours looking for alternatives or creating them.
FLOSS is dead. People don't care. They don't have conscience. All they care about is the sick idea of "productivity", i.e. generating more slop.
The few of us who do care can do very little. We will continue doing our best until they kill us (as they're literally slowly killing the whole humankind). But that's it. Maybe it will pass once the bubble pops, maybe it won't. Either way, the damage is beyond repair. We will never be able to trust one another like we did. We will never again be a community building a better world.
It's just like everything nowadays. It's hard to find a good washing machine (one that will actually be repairable), good shoes (that won't fall apart shortly after the warranty expires), good food. You need lots of money, and even then you have to sieve through all the scammers who just sell the same shit with higher profit margin. #OpenSource is just another branch of business where people are trying to "sell" you shit, and don't care anymore if it explodes in your face. They don't even care if they're actually making a profit.
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
Yesterday, I've read a vibe coded script for the first time in my life, and I've cried.
It wasn't ugly. "Ugly" is not the right term. It was as if someone wasn't able to comprehend beauty, but badly tried to mimic it. It felt like "malicious compliance" to beauty. The kind of awful verbose pedantry that feels wrong every step of the way.
It's the kind of code you'd expect in a corporate environment when you know that the code would be read by the top suits who have no idea about coding, but judge it by the volume and expect science fiction level of make-believe.
It's the kind of code is abstracted away into the tiniest details. Every function returns a complex dataclass explaining precisely what it did, for no reason at all. What would be two lines of code is a function. What would be a function is a whole module. It's a caricature of good programming practices.
I was supposed to add modifying a second field on the same object via GitHub API. I've guessed it would take me about an hour to figure out the code enough to be able to do that — what ought to be 2-3 extra lines. I suspected I'd discover that most of the code does precisely nothing. Just meaningless API exchanges that are absolutely unnecessary. It felt like the kind of parody of bureaucracy where you have to file 10 forms to do something, and only one of them actually means anything.
What used to be "do one thing well" became "doing ten totally random things is fine, as long as one of them happens to be what I need, and the whole thing doesn't blow anything up in an obvious way".
Perhaps it's just because this way a throwaway script. Maybe "production" stuff takes more, err, prompt refining? Maybe it actually can produce stuff that's comprehensible.
But if that code was any indicator, then I'm not going to believe that any big LLM contributions are actually reviewed by humans. A review will take more time than rewriting from scratch. This is a ticking time bomb. That LLM-generated code isn't introducing exploits right now is either a statistical accident, or it's just that nobody bothers.
Jesus Michał von Gentoo 🏔 (he) » 🌐
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
Remember how people gave the term "#AI" to use for their #LLM crap, and then started using "AGI" for the old AI?
Apparently techbros are now selling LLM crap as "AGI": https://futureagi.com/
Also, my "work on GitHub" is apparently "directly relevant to what they're building". Enough to justify a #spam mail anyway.